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Old 23rd July 2008, 21:44   #21 (permalink)
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Like I say, the proof will be in the pudding
'the proof of the pudding is in the eating' is the original and more meaningful version of the cliche...

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You will be suprised to see how many clear favourites win that are over 4/1, especially in quality grade 1/2 races. If he was a 20/1 shot if wouldn't be favourite and would also not qualify in the 3.0-10.0 price ruling.
to repeat the question, what if the market had the fav at 5/1 and you make him a 20/1 shot?

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No, but what I'm trying to say is while trading you notice certain patterns when trading before the off on a daily basis. Late on steamers, steam for a reason, and more often or not seem to be more likely winners than last mintue drifters.

I'd rather lay a drifter before the off (within my price range) than a steamer, when on paper both horses have equal chance.
shoudn't the rule then be 'don't lay a steamer'?

what if the system says you should lay the 2nd fav 6/1 shot when there is a 2/1 fav, then the 6/1 shot starts shortening and at the off is 4/1 while the fav has lenthenged to 3/1?
By the rules of the sytem you'd still be laying a late on steamer against a drifter fav? Didn't the steamer steam for a reason?


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sports trading for a living and "testing a laying system with the following stringent rules" dont really sit together well
quite...

The thread title 'Investor Form Lays' is the first clue that this is an attempt (albeit futile - you're on the wrong forum) to ultimately try to entice people to part with money.

The line early on in the first post "a progressive horse backing system" is the final nail in the coffin of credibility.


Fordy, for all I know you really can spot value lays in horse races. But if you can then why surround it with so much bollocks?
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Old 23rd July 2008, 22:05   #22 (permalink)
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so 1 race decides the system is working
No m8, but it highlights why I have such a rule.

I'll try and get them posted before 11 if i can, but I only suggest paper trading until we get some confidence amongst you sceptics!

BTW - The Lay 1-4 Staking Plan would of recovered your earlier losses and made you a profit for today.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 22:10   #23 (permalink)
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Old 23rd July 2008, 22:57   #24 (permalink)
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Horse racing is not my specialist subject but I imagine there will be plenty others here happy to offer their more expert view on it.
Very well said PatrickStar. For someone who know's a lot, obviously knows nothing. 27yr old pro? Me thinks not.

Obviously testing a system and wanting feedback is a 'no' go on this forum which is a shame but nothing lost hey? I'll spend my nights critising others in the hope my life might one day, get as interesting as yours!!
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Old 23rd July 2008, 23:17   #25 (permalink)
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Very well said PatrickStar. For someone who know's a lot, obviously knows nothing. 27yr old pro? Me thinks not.
Had my first ever bet when I was 21. Went full time shortly after I turned 25 and doing very well thank you.

I don't know much about horse racing but I can see right through poorly conceived ideas about betting 'systems' regardless of what sport they are based on.

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Obviously testing a system and wanting feedback is a 'no' go on this forum which is a shame but nothing lost hey? I'll spend my nights critising others in the hope my life might one day, get as interesting as yours!!
As a rule I usually try to not get involved, consider yourself special.

You don't need to post on a forum to test a system. There's only two reasons you would: 1. you crave adulation, 2. you are trying to entice people into ultimately paying for the system.

As for wanting feedback, you've got some. I guess it just doesn't fit in to either of the above categories.
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Had my first ever bet when I was 21.
Out of interest PS, do you remember what the bet was??
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Old 24th July 2008, 01:30   #27 (permalink)
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Stone Cold to win the 2001 Royal Rumble at 4/1 at Hills.

Actually - no I never did put that on and have regretted it ever since.

First bet was probably some mug football acca. First golf bet I would actually have been 22 and it was for a stake of around 20p e/w on I think Brett Quigley in the 2003 Greater Milwaukee Open.

Came in the places and I remember having a lengthy email back and forth with victor chandler about how I thought they'd incorrrectly settled it and short changed me to the tune of 14p or something.

No doubt they thought I was taking the piss but I genuinely wasn't!
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