if its federer v haas

feedingthe-ego · 7th September 2006, 02:19

how will they bet. as i understand it haas has some history against federer - is there any value in opposing the odds on jolly?

Stoichkov · 7th September 2006, 10:21

Head to head is 7-2 Fed including the last 6. Haas not won since 2002.

Fed this year only lost to Nadal and Murray. Last year to Nalbandian, Gasquet, Safin and Nadal.

Suspect it's a bit like looking for needles in haystacks. Roddick in the final given it's US may be worth looking at - but I suspect value is not what it seems.

Cue the greatest victory of Tommy Haas's career....

feedingthe-ego · 7th September 2006, 10:30

Thanks Stoichkov - thought that there was a very tight match quite recently which suggested Haas might be value at 6's?

SandyHood · 7th September 2006, 10:53

I am with Haas outright

I will be looking to oppose Federer if I get the chance

Hew's had some 5 setters which do sap the energy away and Fed has had a comfortable time, but that is a two edged sword and Federer struggled a couple of times in grand slams when this happened last year note the Kiefer matches

Federer was tired when Haas beat him last year and then thrashed him

At the moment wait. Davydenko and Haas still have to play and Haas is about 6/4 or 13/8 there (I'll be looking to back him at 7/4)

Stoichkov · 7th September 2006, 11:27

2006
Halle
Germany
Grass
S
Federer
6-4 6-7(4) 6-3
Stats
2006
ATP Masters Series Miami
FL, U.S.A.
Hard
R32
Federer
6-1 6-3
Stats
2006
Australian Open
Australia
Hard
R16
Federer
6-4 6-0 3-6 4-6 6-2
Stats
2006
Doha
Qatar
Hard
S
Federer
6-3 6-3
Stats
2005
Halle
Germany
Grass
S
Federer
6-4 7-6(11)
Stats
2002
Paris TMS
France
Carpet
R16
Federer
6-2 7-6(2)
Stats
2002
Australian Open
Australia
Hard
R16
Haas
7-6(3) 4-6 3-6 6-4 8-6
Stats
2000
Basel
Switzerland
Carpet
R32
Federer
6-3 6-3
Stats
2000
Sydney Olympics
Sydney, Australia
Hard
S
Haas
6-3 6-2

So a tough one at the Australian Open. When was the time Haas beat him last year?

BF pre-match average prices were
Halle 06 1.16
Nasdaq 1.17
Oz 1.10
Qatar 1.08
Halle 05 1.11

Haas could well be a nice bet to beat Davy.

1qa2ws · 7th September 2006, 12:28

Anyone know what price Nadal went to beat Youzhny? I was surprised to hear that result this morning, and also gutted I laid off Roddick so early.

Outright prices on Betfair are understandable but quite weird-looking.

SandyHood · 7th September 2006, 12:35

Haas beat Federer AAMI Kooyong Classic 11 January 2006

From the Timesonline 12 Jan 2006

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...981139,00.html

Stoichkov · 7th September 2006, 12:47

Thanks SandyHood

Nadal went off at about 1.19 from memory.

SandyHood · 7th September 2006, 14:15

I'd laid Nadal at 1.17 early doors but I saw he drifted to 1.23/1.24 so the late money must have pushed him in.

Youzhny had looked good in earlier matches and as we all know now was real value

7th September 2006, 02:19	#1 (permalink)
feedingthe-ego Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: surrey Posts: 3,036	if its federer v haas how will they bet. as i understand it haas has some history against federer - is there any value in opposing the odds on jolly?

7th September 2006, 10:21	#2 (permalink)
Stoichkov Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Twickenham Age: 34 Posts: 4,213	Re: if its federer v haas Head to head is 7-2 Fed including the last 6. Haas not won since 2002. Fed this year only lost to Nadal and Murray. Last year to Nalbandian, Gasquet, Safin and Nadal. Suspect it's a bit like looking for needles in haystacks. Roddick in the final given it's US may be worth looking at - but I suspect value is not what it seems. Cue the greatest victory of Tommy Haas's career.... __________________ Mocked for buying multicorners

7th September 2006, 10:30	#3 (permalink)
feedingthe-ego Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: surrey Posts: 3,036	Re: if its federer v haas Thanks Stoichkov - thought that there was a very tight match quite recently which suggested Haas might be value at 6's?

7th September 2006, 10:53	#4 (permalink)
SandyHood Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 251	Re: if its federer v haas I am with Haas outright I will be looking to oppose Federer if I get the chance Hew's had some 5 setters which do sap the energy away and Fed has had a comfortable time, but that is a two edged sword and Federer struggled a couple of times in grand slams when this happened last year note the Kiefer matches Federer was tired when Haas beat him last year and then thrashed him At the moment wait. Davydenko and Haas still have to play and Haas is about 6/4 or 13/8 there (I'll be looking to back him at 7/4)

7th September 2006, 11:27	#5 (permalink)
Stoichkov Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Twickenham Age: 34 Posts: 4,213	Re: if its federer v haas 2006 Halle Germany Grass S Federer 6-4 6-7(4) 6-3 Stats 2006 ATP Masters Series Miami FL, U.S.A. Hard R32 Federer 6-1 6-3 Stats 2006 Australian Open Australia Hard R16 Federer 6-4 6-0 3-6 4-6 6-2 Stats 2006 Doha Qatar Hard S Federer 6-3 6-3 Stats 2005 Halle Germany Grass S Federer 6-4 7-6(11) Stats 2002 Paris TMS France Carpet R16 Federer 6-2 7-6(2) Stats 2002 Australian Open Australia Hard R16 Haas 7-6(3) 4-6 3-6 6-4 8-6 Stats 2000 Basel Switzerland Carpet R32 Federer 6-3 6-3 Stats 2000 Sydney Olympics Sydney, Australia Hard S Haas 6-3 6-2 So a tough one at the Australian Open. When was the time Haas beat him last year? BF pre-match average prices were Halle 06 1.16 Nasdaq 1.17 Oz 1.10 Qatar 1.08 Halle 05 1.11 Haas could well be a nice bet to beat Davy. __________________ Mocked for buying multicorners

7th September 2006, 12:28	#6 (permalink)
1qa2ws Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,325	Re: if its federer v haas Anyone know what price Nadal went to beat Youzhny? I was surprised to hear that result this morning, and also gutted I laid off Roddick so early. Outright prices on Betfair are understandable but quite weird-looking. __________________ Think differently.

7th September 2006, 12:35	#7 (permalink)
SandyHood Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 251	Re: if its federer v haas Haas beat Federer AAMI Kooyong Classic 11 January 2006 From the Timesonline 12 Jan 2006 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...981139,00.html

7th September 2006, 12:47	#8 (permalink)
Stoichkov Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Twickenham Age: 34 Posts: 4,213	Re: if its federer v haas Thanks SandyHood Nadal went off at about 1.19 from memory. __________________ Mocked for buying multicorners

7th September 2006, 14:15	#9 (permalink)
SandyHood Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 251	Re: if its federer v haas I'd laid Nadal at 1.17 early doors but I saw he drifted to 1.23/1.24 so the late money must have pushed him in. Youzhny had looked good in earlier matches and as we all know now was real value

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