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Sportsbettingindex · 20th June 2009, 09:43

Picks are made based on speed ratings and race watching and then evaluating the draw/going etc - stake size is simply a reflection of confidence in a selection - hope that helps JD007

Sportsbettingindex · 22nd June 2009, 21:43

Just had to do a monthly report for a few sites so will post here as well

First Month Report

Since our launch on the 14th May 2009 we have produced an £8,398 profit to a staking plan of £100 per point even at £25 per point that is a return of £2099 in one month!! We are clearly well on target to maintain our objective which is 20% ROI. We have an extensive advertising campaign planned to highlight the service and web site which is crucial to the long term business plan including sponsoring most of the race card at Newton Abbot on 13th July.

The view from our race reader

You will notice by simply looking at my results I rarely suggest anything less than 6/4 as you can find those yourselves and invariably you will find it very difficult to make a long term profit backing short priced favourites. Maiden races will rarely be selected as they offer little value most times and the each way angle is non existent to any volume of money.

Instead we look for value in bigger priced selections which are often heavily gambled in the run up to the off - examples in the our first trading month include

Ponty Rossa 7/1 - 3/1 WON

Dalradian 16/1 - 13/2 WON

Tangerine Trees 7/2 - 6/4 WON

Jimwil 33/1 - 20/1 WON

We have had a few close calls as well - having secured 33/1 on Lasso the Moon at Epsom the horse did everything wrong at the gate losing 10 lengths , to finish third was a remarkable run and got us the e/w return with an SP as low as 12/1.

June has really been an up and down month with a few near misses at big prices, but that’s par for the course and will always happen, however that all changed on Thursday 18th June. We landed a huge touch on a horse I have been waiting for when RADIOHEAD duly turned up at Royal Ascot. I was astonished that no journalist picked up on this horse and he was completely ignored in the press and allowed to go off at 10/1. This highlights why Horsebettingindex.com is essential to any serious punter, this horse would have won by 10 lengths if it hadn’t got hampered yet nobody in the Racing Post gave it a mention. Not only did I identify it a long time ago as a potential star I recommended 4pt e/w - a substantial bet even by my standards but the confidence was fully justified.

This is the sort of information you can get by following my tips at Horsebettingindex.com - no odds-on favourites or stable whispers but solid race reading and profitable selections

Loose Cannon · 22nd June 2009, 23:25

Am curious as everyone else.

I see that to sign up it is 140 for a month or 1k for the year. Lets say for the average customer that is close to 100 per month.

Say you hit your target of 120%. How much would I need to stake per 'point' to break even - ie. cover the outlay of your service? Is that a calculation you have made? This is obviously not for the 10p staker and nor would the 100 quid ew staker worry about the cost of your service - but am still curious what the breaking point is? What kind of money would one have to stake to make it 'worth it' ?

Sportsbettingindex · 22nd June 2009, 23:41

LC
I haven't worked that out - will sit down tomorrow morning and work out the number of points on average per month and figure out an answer for you
Cheers
Ian

Sportsbettingindex · 23rd June 2009, 11:37

LC
Quick calculation - we have staked 600 points in 3 months - so a 120% return would mean 40 points a month so to get the £100 subs back it would only need £2.50 per point to break even.
One caveat and something which would bump this figure up a bit - this is the busier time of the year as more bets will be on the flat so in the Winter months there would be less points staked.
Hope this answers the question.

Loose Cannon · 24th June 2009, 04:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsbettingindex

LC
Quick calculation - we have staked 600 points in 3 months - so a 120% return would mean 40 points a month so to get the £100 subs back it would only need £2.50 per point to break even.
One caveat and something which would bump this figure up a bit - this is the busier time of the year as more bets will be on the flat so in the Winter months there would be less points staked.
Hope this answers the question.

Thanks, that answers it and that is indeed interesting

Sportsbettingindex · 24th June 2009, 20:41

So interesting that we can use it as a marketing tool

so thanks for bringing it up LC

Jd007 · 1st July 2009, 15:23

I have had a good experience so far with this, however I am generally not able to get on at the advertised prices, usually because I spend too much time away from my PC and therefore don't immediately see a tip.

I am therefore backing using BF prices near the off. What would be a great acid test of the service is its performance against BFSP. If it is good, then it would demonstrate that it is beating the market, not just picking off wrong early prices.

36 · 1st July 2009, 17:09

It is something that you need to be around for JD imo. Having said that, not all prices go in, some go out. You can sometimes get better than BOG or SP on Betfair before the off. I think the main thing is that it is making you money.
If you are around most of the time as I am, then you can get the prices given out. On odd occasions I miss a price but then I sometimes get better so it's swings and roundabouts.

A great month again, with 69.94 points profit for the month. I actually got just over 74 points profit myself with occasionally getting better prices.

The way I look at it is, if you subscribe for a year and stake eg £20 a point, you need approx 5 points profit a month to break even on your subs, so looking at their monthly points profit total, at £20 a point, June would be 65 pts/£1300 profit after subs.

.

Sportsbettingindex · 1st July 2009, 18:52

Will sit down tonight and work out just the winners at Betfair SP and post results on here on an excel sheet

Sportsbettingindex · 1st July 2009, 21:36

Here you go - just the winners,stake,our price,sp and betfair sp
I am not an expert in excel so please feel free to make of it what you will

Jd007 · 1st July 2009, 22:48

I reckon it works out as follows:

Stakes: 131.1 units
BOG Returns: 705.15
BFSP Returns: 665.68

obviously these are just the winning bets, and also do not factor in BF commission.

Sportsbettingindex · 2nd July 2009, 13:05

June Report

June has been a fascinating and very profitable month for Horse Betting Index - the basic numbers are 230.9 points staked for a profit of 69.94 points an incredible £6994 to recommended stakes with an ROI of 30% - far exceeding our target of 20%.

We have backed a total of 17 winners on the month which have included our biggest priced winner so far when Jimwil obliged at 33/1 and our biggest stake so far of 4 pts e/w which also obliged as Radiohead romped to victory at Royal Ascot at the rewarding odds of 10/1.

We have spearheaded some impressive gambles particularly with 2 bets advised the day before racing with Firebet being advised at 6/1 and winning at 15/8 and with Kay Gee Be who was tipped up at 14/1 and returned the e/w money when finishing 3rd at 7/1.

The highlight of the month was undoubtedly Royal Ascot - befitting as it is the highlight of the flat racing season and our subscribers can certainly afford to buy tickets and a new frock for next years meeting after our tipster returned them a profit of 46.25 points over the 5 days.

Make sure you are signed up and ready for these highlights in the coming month - the July meeting at Newmarket, the John Smith Magnet Cup Day at York, the King George at Ascot and not forgetting Glorious Goodwood which starts on the 28th July.

In other matters we have launched our Affiliate scheme which pays an attractive commission of up to £100 (see site for details), a new Blog page has been created - some of you might well be reading this report here. We are also putting the finishing touches to our promotional day at Newton Abbot on 13th July where we will be sponsoring 4 races on the card and launching an exciting competition - stay tuned for details

Jd007 · 2nd July 2009, 14:30

...more analysis:

The BF P&L above are 91.3% of the BOG P&L after commission at 2%.

If all bets were struck at 10.0 BOG then a ROI of 25% under the BOG terms would be equivalent to an ROI of 15.2% under the BFSP terms.

rhodesy · 2nd July 2009, 16:20

a 33/1 winner for HBI there

Sea Rover 33s into 7s - pissed up on bridle by 4.5 lgths

nice tipping

flimper · 2nd July 2009, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhodesy

a 33/1 winner for HBI there

Sea Rover 33s into 7s - pissed up on bridle by 4.5 lgths

nice tipping

Not to piss on your fire but I imagine that is with a lumpy R4. Great shout anyway though.

Sportsbettingindex · 2nd July 2009, 19:22

Nope 15p rule 4 makes it 28/1 - was tipped after most wd's

Sportsbettingindex · 4th July 2009, 12:27

One of those really frustrating days yesterday with no fewer than 4 2nd places 3 of which traded at 1.26,1.55 and 1.14 but we more than made up for it with a 3 pointer winning at 8/1

Smokin Joe · 4th July 2009, 15:29

Although I get the tips to my mobile, I have actually decided that I will place the bets on Betfair, just so that I don't knacker all the remaining bookies accounts that I have left

drayton · 4th July 2009, 21:29

impressive figures spi. i'm in the middle of selling my house at the moment, so a lot of distraction going on. once ive sold and bought i'll be subscribing.

keep the good uns for around the beginning of august

20th June 2009, 09:43	#21 (permalink)
Sportsbettingindex Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the Devil died of the cold Posts: 5,361	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com Picks are made based on speed ratings and race watching and then evaluating the draw/going etc - stake size is simply a reflection of confidence in a selection - hope that helps JD007 __________________ I am not a compiler - I am a free man

22nd June 2009, 21:43	#22 (permalink)
Sportsbettingindex Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the Devil died of the cold Posts: 5,361	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com Just had to do a monthly report for a few sites so will post here as well First Month Report Since our launch on the 14th May 2009 we have produced an £8,398 profit to a staking plan of £100 per point even at £25 per point that is a return of £2099 in one month!! We are clearly well on target to maintain our objective which is 20% ROI. We have an extensive advertising campaign planned to highlight the service and web site which is crucial to the long term business plan including sponsoring most of the race card at Newton Abbot on 13th July. The view from our race reader You will notice by simply looking at my results I rarely suggest anything less than 6/4 as you can find those yourselves and invariably you will find it very difficult to make a long term profit backing short priced favourites. Maiden races will rarely be selected as they offer little value most times and the each way angle is non existent to any volume of money. Instead we look for value in bigger priced selections which are often heavily gambled in the run up to the off - examples in the our first trading month include Ponty Rossa 7/1 - 3/1 WON Dalradian 16/1 - 13/2 WON Tangerine Trees 7/2 - 6/4 WON Jimwil 33/1 - 20/1 WON We have had a few close calls as well - having secured 33/1 on Lasso the Moon at Epsom the horse did everything wrong at the gate losing 10 lengths , to finish third was a remarkable run and got us the e/w return with an SP as low as 12/1. June has really been an up and down month with a few near misses at big prices, but that’s par for the course and will always happen, however that all changed on Thursday 18th June. We landed a huge touch on a horse I have been waiting for when RADIOHEAD duly turned up at Royal Ascot. I was astonished that no journalist picked up on this horse and he was completely ignored in the press and allowed to go off at 10/1. This highlights why Horsebettingindex.com is essential to any serious punter, this horse would have won by 10 lengths if it hadn’t got hampered yet nobody in the Racing Post gave it a mention. Not only did I identify it a long time ago as a potential star I recommended 4pt e/w - a substantial bet even by my standards but the confidence was fully justified. This is the sort of information you can get by following my tips at Horsebettingindex.com - no odds-on favourites or stable whispers but solid race reading and profitable selections __________________ I am not a compiler - I am a free man

22nd June 2009, 23:25	#23 (permalink)
Loose Cannon Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Third rock from the sun Age: 29 Posts: 1,830	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com Am curious as everyone else. I see that to sign up it is 140 for a month or 1k for the year. Lets say for the average customer that is close to 100 per month. Say you hit your target of 120%. How much would I need to stake per 'point' to break even - ie. cover the outlay of your service? Is that a calculation you have made? This is obviously not for the 10p staker and nor would the 100 quid ew staker worry about the cost of your service - but am still curious what the breaking point is? What kind of money would one have to stake to make it 'worth it' ? __________________ I do all my own stunts!

22nd June 2009, 23:41	#24 (permalink)
Sportsbettingindex Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the Devil died of the cold Posts: 5,361	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com LC I haven't worked that out - will sit down tomorrow morning and work out the number of points on average per month and figure out an answer for you Cheers Ian __________________ I am not a compiler - I am a free man

23rd June 2009, 11:37	#25 (permalink)
Sportsbettingindex Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the Devil died of the cold Posts: 5,361	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com LC Quick calculation - we have staked 600 points in 3 months - so a 120% return would mean 40 points a month so to get the £100 subs back it would only need £2.50 per point to break even. One caveat and something which would bump this figure up a bit - this is the busier time of the year as more bets will be on the flat so in the Winter months there would be less points staked. Hope this answers the question. __________________ I am not a compiler - I am a free man

24th June 2009, 20:41	#27 (permalink)
Sportsbettingindex Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the Devil died of the cold Posts: 5,361	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com So interesting that we can use it as a marketing tool so thanks for bringing it up LC __________________ I am not a compiler - I am a free man

1st July 2009, 15:23	#28 (permalink)
Jd007 Goldmember Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,774	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com I have had a good experience so far with this, however I am generally not able to get on at the advertised prices, usually because I spend too much time away from my PC and therefore don't immediately see a tip. I am therefore backing using BF prices near the off. What would be a great acid test of the service is its performance against BFSP. If it is good, then it would demonstrate that it is beating the market, not just picking off wrong early prices.

1st July 2009, 17:09	#29 (permalink)
36 UBF tea lady & Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,081	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com It is something that you need to be around for JD imo. Having said that, not all prices go in, some go out. You can sometimes get better than BOG or SP on Betfair before the off. I think the main thing is that it is making you money. If you are around most of the time as I am, then you can get the prices given out. On odd occasions I miss a price but then I sometimes get better so it's swings and roundabouts. A great month again, with 69.94 points profit for the month. I actually got just over 74 points profit myself with occasionally getting better prices. The way I look at it is, if you subscribe for a year and stake eg £20 a point, you need approx 5 points profit a month to break even on your subs, so looking at their monthly points profit total, at £20 a point, June would be 65 pts/£1300 profit after subs. .

1st July 2009, 18:52	#30 (permalink)
Sportsbettingindex Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the Devil died of the cold Posts: 5,361	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com Will sit down tonight and work out just the winners at Betfair SP and post results on here on an excel sheet __________________ I am not a compiler - I am a free man

1st July 2009, 22:48	#32 (permalink)
Jd007 Goldmember Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,774	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com I reckon it works out as follows: Stakes: 131.1 units BOG Returns: 705.15 BFSP Returns: 665.68 obviously these are just the winning bets, and also do not factor in BF commission.

2nd July 2009, 13:05	#33 (permalink)
Sportsbettingindex Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the Devil died of the cold Posts: 5,361	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com June Report June has been a fascinating and very profitable month for Horse Betting Index - the basic numbers are 230.9 points staked for a profit of 69.94 points an incredible £6994 to recommended stakes with an ROI of 30% - far exceeding our target of 20%. We have backed a total of 17 winners on the month which have included our biggest priced winner so far when Jimwil obliged at 33/1 and our biggest stake so far of 4 pts e/w which also obliged as Radiohead romped to victory at Royal Ascot at the rewarding odds of 10/1. We have spearheaded some impressive gambles particularly with 2 bets advised the day before racing with Firebet being advised at 6/1 and winning at 15/8 and with Kay Gee Be who was tipped up at 14/1 and returned the e/w money when finishing 3rd at 7/1. The highlight of the month was undoubtedly Royal Ascot - befitting as it is the highlight of the flat racing season and our subscribers can certainly afford to buy tickets and a new frock for next years meeting after our tipster returned them a profit of 46.25 points over the 5 days. Make sure you are signed up and ready for these highlights in the coming month - the July meeting at Newmarket, the John Smith Magnet Cup Day at York, the King George at Ascot and not forgetting Glorious Goodwood which starts on the 28th July. In other matters we have launched our Affiliate scheme which pays an attractive commission of up to £100 (see site for details), a new Blog page has been created - some of you might well be reading this report here. We are also putting the finishing touches to our promotional day at Newton Abbot on 13th July where we will be sponsoring 4 races on the card and launching an exciting competition - stay tuned for details __________________ I am not a compiler - I am a free man

2nd July 2009, 14:30	#34 (permalink)
Jd007 Goldmember Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,774	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com ...more analysis: The BF P&L above are 91.3% of the BOG P&L after commission at 2%. If all bets were struck at 10.0 BOG then a ROI of 25% under the BOG terms would be equivalent to an ROI of 15.2% under the BFSP terms.

2nd July 2009, 16:20	#35 (permalink)
rhodesy Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Harrogate Age: 31 Posts: 6,626	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com a 33/1 winner for HBI there Sea Rover 33s into 7s - pissed up on bridle by 4.5 lgths nice tipping __________________ We beat the Scum One-Nil

2nd July 2009, 19:22	#37 (permalink)
Sportsbettingindex Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the Devil died of the cold Posts: 5,361	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com Nope 15p rule 4 makes it 28/1 - was tipped after most wd's __________________ I am not a compiler - I am a free man

4th July 2009, 12:27	#38 (permalink)
Sportsbettingindex Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the Devil died of the cold Posts: 5,361	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com One of those really frustrating days yesterday with no fewer than 4 2nd places 3 of which traded at 1.26,1.55 and 1.14 but we more than made up for it with a 3 pointer winning at 8/1 __________________ I am not a compiler - I am a free man

4th July 2009, 15:29	#39 (permalink)
Smokin Joe Gold Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,033	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com Although I get the tips to my mobile, I have actually decided that I will place the bets on Betfair, just so that I don't knacker all the remaining bookies accounts that I have left

4th July 2009, 21:29	#40 (permalink)
drayton Gold Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,098	Re: www.horsebettingindex.com impressive figures spi. i'm in the middle of selling my house at the moment, so a lot of distraction going on. once ive sold and bought i'll be subscribing. keep the good uns for around the beginning of august __________________ "THE NECESSITY OF LIVING IN THE MIDST OF THE DIABOLICAL CITIZENS OF PORTSMOUTH IS A REAL AND UNAVOIDABLE CALAMITY. IT IS A DOUBT TO ME IF THERE IS SUCH ANOTHER COLLECTION OF DEMONS UPON THE WHOLE EARTH. VICE, HOWEVER,WEARS SO UGLY A GARB THAT IT DISGUSTS RATHER THAN TEMPTS." General James Wolfe 1758

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