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Just over 15pts profit this week, 47.5 pts up for the month so far.

Top bombing Wickerman !

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August finished with a 30pt profit and Sept currently stands at a 20pt profit.

Stevie ( Wickerman ) hit the crossbar last w/e, just one more goal from Brechin would have given a really big payout but still it was yet another winning w/e.

Apart from the advised bets, there are now Mentions given out which are bets not included in the proofed figures at no extra subscription cost.

No stake is advised, just the bets and prices. These are less mainstream bets, the type of bets that Stevie has been famous for on the UBF the last few years.

The Mentions have been running 3 weeks now with 21 bets given out. To a modest 2pt stake ( stake size up to the individual ) , these Mentions have produced a massive 97pt profit !!!

The figures speak for themselves and no problem getting bets on. A really good and profitable service but knowing Ian and Stevie, I never expected less.

Ian tells me there are still some subscriptions available though subscription will stop once there are 50 subscribers.

My advice would be to join up while there are still places left...

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stjude

36. Those "mentions" do appear very successful. Well done and good luck to all those involved.

Having read your post I was very tempted to join the club. But having just analysed the "official" results so far, I will have to keep a watching brief.

Results so far, as at 11.9.10

July: stakes 55, profit/loss - 34.6
August: stakes 221, profit/loss +30.37
September stakes 80, profit/loss +20.35

Total stakes 356, profit/loss +16.12.

Percentage return on stakes +4.5%. At £80 per calendar month this 2.36 months time period would have cost £189. So stakes would need to be more than ten times points recommended just to cover the subscription.

Obviously it's early days and the trend is looking potentially good. Plus there are the "mentions".

Sorry to appear negative but would you agree with my interim report?

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hi stjude

Your figures are wrong.

You have the wrong July figure leading to a wrong ROI.

July: stakes 59, profit/loss -23
August: stakes 221, profit/loss +30.37
September stakes 80, profit/loss +20.35

This then gives an ROI of 7.6%.

The successful mentions are in addition and not included.


It is a learning curve for Stevie, going from posting on a forum to having paid subscribers is a big step but he is settling down well. After a poor first month, the ROI for August and September is 16.8%

The points recommended are just that, not stake per point recommended.

Stake size is up to the individual but obviously you need to stake high enough to cover the subscription. It is not a service for anyone who is only prepared to stake very little.

Hope that helps

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mug

I agree with the first part, we're well in profit, good stuff Wickerman. "No problem getting bets on", I'm afraid I can't agree with that. I have been able to get on satisfactorily, so far, but only by being on the ball, and not without loss of accounts. Leave it a few hours and you're well out of the money on most bets. Unfortunately the printed shop coupon prices these days are too clued up to present an open goal.

stjude

36. Thanks for the response.

I got my figures directly from the July results section of the footballbettingindex website. The figures there are as I have quoted them.

What is a worthwhile ROI %? My sense is to be profitable and worthwhile long term you need to be able to hit at least 20% to justify the time and over 33% if you are treating it as as a source of income?

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stjude

Surprised you haven't double-checked the results for July after my post. The figures are there on the site as I quoted. You obviously didn't scroll to the bottom of the page.

As for ROI, to want 33% is unrealistic imo as is depending on a tipping service as a source of income. Most successful pro-punters are happy with anything around the 10% mark. My expectations of a tipping service are to give me profit over and above the subscription for virtually no work on my part. I think FBI will deliver that.

I am more than happy for FBI to give me 10-15% ROI with anything above a bonus. As for justifying the time, it takes probably 20 minutes a week to get the bets on. I can't really see how 20 minutes needs to be justified

As I posted earlier, it is early days and to date for August and Sept, the ROI is 16.8%. The bad start in July didn't help but no tipping service wins every month. It is the overall figure that counts. The mentions are a real added bonus too if you choose to bet them.

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mug, you are a very shrewd cookie and account restrictions are par for the course as you know . The mentions, being not quite so mainstream bets are the ones that are going to flag up interest at certain bookies. I try and use BF for those where I can but not always possible.

As for getting on, I would say get the mentions on first as they are the ones most likely to be cut in price. The regular bets are no problem in my experience. You know roughly when the bet email is coming so refresh your email regularly around that time. I have my email on automatic refresh.

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mug

36 anything I get on the mentions I regard as a bonus, I don't even try to get on the correct scores, these have to be shop only bets. My point is that some of the main 10-point bets are unrealistic considering market liquidity. Pinnacle for example will take a single $500 bet on Scottish football on a Friday afternoon before the price moves automatically several ticks.

Regarding steaks for point, personally I try for £50. I think more than that is very difficult to get on, and rather greedy. Anyone playing for less than £20 a point is struggling to get enough value to make paying the sub worthwhile.

As you suggest, getting on is a practical matter, sometimes one judges that a lower price than recommended is acceptable, sometimes one finds alternative markets to play and so on. This comes with general betting experience and having a lot of accounts (or at least I used to).

But I do think the official bets should be prices and steaking-levels that one could reasonably expect subscribers to get on in numbers. That's not always the case.

Personally I'd be more than happy to pay to receive Stephen's thoughts on Scottish football, without any specific recommended prices and steaks. But that wouldn't suit everyone and I guess it would make the service hard to market.

mug

By the way in case the above is misunderstood, I am delighted with the service. I just take issue with your remark that it is easy to get on. It's never going to be easy to get on this kind of rubbish.

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I just say it as it is for me mug. I haven't had problems getting on. I do take a tick or two less at times at other bookies than advocated. Getting on anything out of the norm is difficult at the best of times and I can see your point. An ongoing battle but worth it imo.

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Nik-Nak

In total agreement Mug, I am staking 60 pounds a point and in a perfect world would very much like to up it, but this is just not viable as you would be giving up too much on the price just to get on. It also worries me that we are not even at full capacity in terms of 50 paying members and it appears to be getting harder every week to get on mainly in the Div 2 and 3 overs markets.

All food for the thought and as 36 rightly says in terms of the nature/liquidity of what we are actually betting on, this was always only going to be an excellent add on service alongside your own personal punting.

Keep up the the good work Stephen and Ian.

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36

20pts profit today. That'll bump up the ROI

Mentions were about level I think.

Top stuff Ian and Stephen

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Sportsbettingindex

Food for thought guys and we have listened to everything that people have suggested so far - hence we have already seen the introduction of the mentions as opposed to them being "official" bets.
The timing of the bets will always be the same every week - 2pm on Friday and 6pm on a Monday as we feel the markets have settled down by this time and we are not going to bring attention to ourselves early in the week by nicking early prices.
I have tried to monitor prices and I don't think so far we are having a big effect on the market but then this doesn't cater for peoples individual account limits.
I am always more than willing to listen to any suggestions/ideas for improving the service so keep commenting.
Next week looks interesting with round one of the Scottish Cup which I believe Stephen can't wait for

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mug

Holy shit! The crappier it gets, the more Wickerman knows. Well done, thank you and I appreciate your integrity on the official steaking.

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Mug - bit frustrating really as results posted have to be honest so the official results are just the League bets where more bookmakers prices up - the Scottish FA Cup bets have provided 132.3 points profit in the last 2 weeks but only for those organised enough to get on - so it would not be fair to include them as official results

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Nik-Nak

A superb day for FBI, well done Wickerman.

Keep it going guys, great stuff.

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Yeah, what a day !!! 62.1 pts profit today with 6/7 bets winning.

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Cracking stuff Stephen and Ian



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rugbylover

world class performance - wd wickerman

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Takes us up to
575 staked
83.79 profit
ROI 14.5%
(and thats without the FA Cup bets)

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36

Another 45.5 pts profit this weekend.

115.6 pts profit so far for October.

Top notch tipping from the FBI team

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