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A new service from Sportsbettingindex ( Ian ) that I would recommend.
Ian has teamed up with Wickerman ( Stephen ) to offer a tipping service based solely on Scottish football.

Ian is widely known as an honest and trustworthy guy and Wickerman is probably the most highly regarded member of the UBF for his contribution of consistent winning bets across a variety of sports.

Wickerman will continue to share his best bets on other sports with the Gold members of the Ultimate Betting Forum but his legendary tips on Scottish football will now be only available through subscription to footballbettingindex

I was privy to the proofing trial over the last 2.5 months of the previous Scottish Football season which produced a figure of 93.53 pts profit. On a few occasions I used different bookmakers than advised but still returned a profit of 86 pts.

Those sort of figures will come as no surprise to Ultimate Betting Forum Gold members who are well aware of Wickerman's phenomenal tipping.

I am the first subscriber to this new service and have already received 6 ante post bets each with it's own rationale. The prices for these are still available but if you want to take advantage of these bets, you need to get signed up soon.

Take a look here footballbettingindex and become an FBI agent :D

Subscription is open to anyone but is limited to 50 people.

( All comments on this thread will be moderated so there may be some delay before posts are visible at times )

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Wickerman is an excellent judge of Scottish football and I can see why he has chosen to get paid for his tips, and I am not suggesting that he shouldn't be paid nor deserves it, but I can't help thinking this is a disappointing day for the forum as a whole.

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I understand your sentiment ML but Wickerman has his reasons for doing this which are outlined on the site.

He will continue to contribute his normal great value bets across a variety of sports in the Gold section of this forum.

The service is not very expensive imo and will soon pay for itself I think.

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One in.

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As I live abroad, I only have accounts with betfair and Sporting Index (where it can be difficult to get anything on). Would this nullify the value of the service?

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Mac - I would say sadly it probably does as accounts will be needed with bookmakers to get quite a few of the bets on

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Two...

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Plus a few more from here that have told me they have subscribed.

Numbers are going up steadily I'm told with some others apart from the UBF crew.

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36 - Any idea when the emails will be going out, I'm a bit stuck getting bets on some saturdays at the last minute.

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Corkage - emails will go out on a Monday evening for midweek bets and Friday afternoon for weekend bets

I'd suggest to anyone subscribing to get a range of mainstream bookie accounts if you haven't already.

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From experience of the trial, most bets are pretty straightforward and if you don't get eg a 7/2 advised at a certain bookie, you can usually get on at 100/30 elsewhere. So no real hassle getting on or rushing to get on most of the time. There will be occasions where an advised particular bookie is a standout price and it may be cut, but price fluctuations even themselves out mainly. I'll be happy to get 90% of the advised figures.

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Are the recommended prices on the Ante-Post bets still available?

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Yes, all of them. Just checked for you.

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Ok, I'm in.

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Joined :D

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We are off and running - bets for Challenge Cup have gone out - bon chance all

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yeah good luck all

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Well, it was the worst possible start losing 31pts the first weekend.

An 8pt profit on the next weekend brought the figures for July to -23pts

August started well with a 5.5pt profit on Sunday 1st August

And that was carried on in some style with a 26.8pt profit today

So we have a running profit for the month of 32.3pts and an overall profit of 9.3pts so far.

Wickerman is really getting into gear now 8)

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Cracking day today and a decent early season start.

36 - Is there a decent thread you can point me to on points in relation to total bank staking you can point me to, I feel I'm being too conservative, but would like to look at some hard logic.

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Can't think of a thread off-hand Corkage but a bank of 500 pts is recommended. I think that is about right given the level of staking so far. Always better to be conservative as regards staking imo.

I have a seperate bank for this from my other betting. Easier that way to keep track. You can increase stakes exponentially but that is a personal choice.

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Just over 15pts profit this week, 47.5 pts up for the month so far. 8)

Top bombing Wickerman !

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August finished with a 30pt profit and Sept currently stands at a 20pt profit.

Stevie ( Wickerman ) hit the crossbar last w/e, just one more goal from Brechin would have given a really big payout but still it was yet another winning w/e.

Apart from the advised bets, there are now Mentions given out which are bets not included in the proofed figures at no extra subscription cost.

No stake is advised, just the bets and prices. These are less mainstream bets, the type of bets that Stevie has been famous for on the UBF the last few years.

The Mentions have been running 3 weeks now with 21 bets given out. To a modest 2pt stake ( stake size up to the individual ) , these Mentions have produced a massive 97pt profit !!!

The figures speak for themselves and no problem getting bets on. A really good and profitable service but knowing Ian and Stevie, I never expected less.

Ian tells me there are still some subscriptions available though subscription will stop once there are 50 subscribers.

My advice would be to join up while there are still places left...

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36. Those "mentions" do appear very successful. Well done and good luck to all those involved.

Having read your post I was very tempted to join the club. But having just analysed the "official" results so far, I will have to keep a watching brief.

Results so far, as at 11.9.10

July: stakes 55, profit/loss - 34.6
August: stakes 221, profit/loss +30.37
September stakes 80, profit/loss +20.35

Total stakes 356, profit/loss +16.12.

Percentage return on stakes +4.5%. At £80 per calendar month this 2.36 months time period would have cost £189. So stakes would need to be more than ten times points recommended just to cover the subscription.

Obviously it's early days and the trend is looking potentially good. Plus there are the "mentions".

Sorry to appear negative but would you agree with my interim report?

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hi stjude

Your figures are wrong.

You have the wrong July figure leading to a wrong ROI.

July: stakes 59, profit/loss -23
August: stakes 221, profit/loss +30.37
September stakes 80, profit/loss +20.35

This then gives an ROI of 7.6%.

The successful mentions are in addition and not included.


It is a learning curve for Stevie, going from posting on a forum to having paid subscribers is a big step but he is settling down well. After a poor first month, the ROI for August and September is 16.8%

The points recommended are just that, not stake per point recommended.

Stake size is up to the individual but obviously you need to stake high enough to cover the subscription. It is not a service for anyone who is only prepared to stake very little.

Hope that helps

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I agree with the first part, we're well in profit, good stuff Wickerman. "No problem getting bets on", I'm afraid I can't agree with that. I have been able to get on satisfactorily, so far, but only by being on the ball, and not without loss of accounts. Leave it a few hours and you're well out of the money on most bets. Unfortunately the printed shop coupon prices these days are too clued up to present an open goal.

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36. Thanks for the response.

I got my figures directly from the July results section of the footballbettingindex website. The figures there are as I have quoted them.

What is a worthwhile ROI %? My sense is to be profitable and worthwhile long term you need to be able to hit at least 20% to justify the time and over 33% if you are treating it as as a source of income?

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stjude

Surprised you haven't double-checked the results for July after my post. The figures are there on the site as I quoted. You obviously didn't scroll to the bottom of the page.

As for ROI, to want 33% is unrealistic imo as is depending on a tipping service as a source of income. Most successful pro-punters are happy with anything around the 10% mark. My expectations of a tipping service are to give me profit over and above the subscription for virtually no work on my part. I think FBI will deliver that.

I am more than happy for FBI to give me 10-15% ROI with anything above a bonus. As for justifying the time, it takes probably 20 minutes a week to get the bets on. I can't really see how 20 minutes needs to be justified :?

As I posted earlier, it is early days and to date for August and Sept, the ROI is 16.8%. The bad start in July didn't help but no tipping service wins every month. It is the overall figure that counts. The mentions are a real added bonus too if you choose to bet them.

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mug, you are a very shrewd cookie and account restrictions are par for the course as you know :twisted:. The mentions, being not quite so mainstream bets are the ones that are going to flag up interest at certain bookies. I try and use BF for those where I can but not always possible.

As for getting on, I would say get the mentions on first as they are the ones most likely to be cut in price. The regular bets are no problem in my experience. You know roughly when the bet email is coming so refresh your email regularly around that time. I have my email on automatic refresh.

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36 anything I get on the mentions I regard as a bonus, I don't even try to get on the correct scores, these have to be shop only bets. My point is that some of the main 10-point bets are unrealistic considering market liquidity. Pinnacle for example will take a single $500 bet on Scottish football on a Friday afternoon before the price moves automatically several ticks.

Regarding steaks for point, personally I try for £50. I think more than that is very difficult to get on, and rather greedy. Anyone playing for less than £20 a point is struggling to get enough value to make paying the sub worthwhile.

As you suggest, getting on is a practical matter, sometimes one judges that a lower price than recommended is acceptable, sometimes one finds alternative markets to play and so on. This comes with general betting experience and having a lot of accounts (or at least I used to).

But I do think the official bets should be prices and steaking-levels that one could reasonably expect subscribers to get on in numbers. That's not always the case.

Personally I'd be more than happy to pay to receive Stephen's thoughts on Scottish football, without any specific recommended prices and steaks. But that wouldn't suit everyone and I guess it would make the service hard to market.

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By the way in case the above is misunderstood, I am delighted with the service. I just take issue with your remark that it is easy to get on. It's never going to be easy to get on this kind of rubbish.

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I just say it as it is for me mug. I haven't had problems getting on. I do take a tick or two less at times at other bookies than advocated. Getting on anything out of the norm is difficult at the best of times and I can see your point. An ongoing battle but worth it imo.

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In total agreement Mug, I am staking 60 pounds a point and in a perfect world would very much like to up it, but this is just not viable as you would be giving up too much on the price just to get on. It also worries me that we are not even at full capacity in terms of 50 paying members and it appears to be getting harder every week to get on mainly in the Div 2 and 3 overs markets.

All food for the thought and as 36 rightly says in terms of the nature/liquidity of what we are actually betting on, this was always only going to be an excellent add on service alongside your own personal punting.

Keep up the the good work Stephen and Ian. :D

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20pts profit today. That'll bump up the ROI :lol:

Mentions were about level I think.

Top stuff Ian and Stephen 8)

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Food for thought guys and we have listened to everything that people have suggested so far - hence we have already seen the introduction of the mentions as opposed to them being "official" bets.
The timing of the bets will always be the same every week - 2pm on Friday and 6pm on a Monday as we feel the markets have settled down by this time and we are not going to bring attention to ourselves early in the week by nicking early prices.
I have tried to monitor prices and I don't think so far we are having a big effect on the market but then this doesn't cater for peoples individual account limits.
I am always more than willing to listen to any suggestions/ideas for improving the service so keep commenting.
Next week looks interesting with round one of the Scottish Cup which I believe Stephen can't wait for :D

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Holy shit! The crappier it gets, the more Wickerman knows. Well done, thank you and I appreciate your integrity on the official steaking.

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Mug - bit frustrating really as results posted have to be honest so the official results are just the League bets where more bookmakers prices up - the Scottish FA Cup bets have provided 132.3 points profit in the last 2 weeks but only for those organised enough to get on - so it would not be fair to include them as official results

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A superb day for FBI, well done Wickerman.

Keep it going guys, great stuff.8)

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Yeah, what a day !!! 62.1 pts profit today with 6/7 bets winning.

Football Betting Index - Results


Cracking stuff Stephen and Ian 8)



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world class performance - wd wickerman

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Takes us up to
575 staked
83.79 profit
ROI 14.5%
(and thats without the FA Cup bets)

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Another 45.5 pts profit this weekend.

115.6 pts profit so far for October.

Top notch tipping from the FBI team 8)

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It was certainly a good day's betting I don't really think you can count a 10 point bet at a Bodog price.

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I agree with that mug. It was 3/1 at Bodog ( where I don't have an account or want one ) but 14/5 at Bwin ( another account I don't have or want ), 11/4 at Hills and Laddies. I took 11/4. It was the only bet that was best priced at Bodog to be fair but I don't like to see Bodog or Bwin given as the best price at all.

I don't always get some of the prices and take a tick or two lower at mainstream British bookies. Official figures were 45.5 today but I got just over 41. Happy with that.

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Mug - tbh - I usually discount the best price where it is standout at a small book - figures have been corrected with 11/4 against that bet so 42 points profit - I do try my best to be transparent
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Impressive stuff Wickerman .. well done.

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No harm mentioning the top prices with non-books but the official price has to be somewhere that lays bets. Anyway 11/4 was a great price considering Wickerman's tissue on the match.

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YouTube - Edinburgh City 2-4 Threave Rovers 23/10/10

goals from Edinburgh City v Threave not great camera work but the fourth goal is a cracker

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Update...

Curent Nov profit + 56.3 pts Football Betting Index - Results

Overall - 820 pts staked : 143.09 pts profit : 17.45 ROI

As a subscriber, am very happy with that.

Still some subscriptions available at £80 per calendar month.

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After a good day in the Scottish Cup we have now hit 20% ROI

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I have watched from afar and the first few months have gone well. Well done Wickerman and SBI. I am going to give it a go, are there spaces left?

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Another last minute equaliser.


Beith's 600 fans, who helped Airdrie to their biggest gate of the season at 1412, staggered out of the ground as if they'd just had 20 pints in the aforementioned social club.
They had been gobsmacked by the sickening end, although not as gobsmacked as the unnamed Ayrshire official who had a grand on his team at 7-1.

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He should have covered the draw, like the FBI

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Hi Beatme - it would be good to have you on board
We are working our way towards the 50 but there are spaces available.
It is never easy moving from posting on a forum to actually being responsible for people parting with their hard earned money on your say so but Stephen has managed it incredibly well, the return of 20% ROI amply shows that!

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Quick question - I keep all the results in table form on the site - but does anyone have an excel spreadsheet of results?
Cheers

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Hopefully a thaw is on its way! - it's been a very quiet December.
You can now follow FBI on Twitter where we will keep subscribers updated on things - FBIdotcom is where you can find us

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OK, +23 pts profit for January so far but Scotland seriously need to do something about their weather. It's not on, all these postponed matches :roll:

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5/5 today

Nice :mrgreen:

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Absolutely fucking triumphant today. Well done Wickerman.

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Genius:D:D:D:D

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94.75 pts profit for February so far :D

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Magnificent scenes. Was anyone mug enough to do a little acca?

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I have had an email from someone who has done HT/FT various accas to take out £100k - that includes tomorrows bet - so he is in for a sleepless night :shock:

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I have a £5 one with PP pays about 350/1,it's live on Sky tomorrow .

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I didn't do an acca...have to settle for the 104.5 pts profit today :( :lol:

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errrr... yes

£17k if tomorrow's game wins.

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I know what FBI stands for now...Fucking Brilliant Innit :P

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As some of you know I don't bet the games myself - firstly so I don't give the bets away - my accounts are marked and secondly the double whammy effect of a bad day - losing money and customers.
In this case what an idiot :{oops}: - any donations greatfully received :D
Failing that those who twitter feel free to broadcast todays good news.
All the best for tomorrow
Ian

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I can let you have a tenner if you pop round mine to get it :mrgreen:

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They'll be dancing in the streets of Summerisle tonight :D

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Weighed in


Congrats MM

6 from 6, absolutely brilliant stuff Stephen and Ian.

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Yeah, good stuff lads 8)

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What's the ROI nowadays Ian ?

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Traded some of it off, ended up winning just over £12k :mrgreen:

Thanks you to Stephen and Ian

Happy Mike tonight

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Well done guys - I will work out the ROI later

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Absolutely fantastic!! Only had a minor acca bet, but hey - at odds 500 it's still bloody interesting!

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Profit 293.49
Staked 1308
ROI 22.4%

Very healthy :D

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Thanks Ian, very healthy indeed !!

All this for just £20 a week subscription, amazing 8)

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amazing stuff Wickerman

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We were going to do a big run down of how the year went - what happened when etc but dwelling on the past will not really help us move forward. We did set ourselves a target for the first year of public tipping of 10% ROI so the actual final figure of 15.5% is very pleasing - moving from the realms of punting your own money to people relying on your tips is not easy and Stephen has acquitted himself well. When things are not going well the temptation is there to chase losses but when we hit the odd sticky patch Stephen stuck to his guns and gave out the bets which he knew long term would provide a profit. I would like to say that we will analyse the results and see if we can improve things - maybe looking at Asian handicaps but with an ROI of 15.5% we don’t want to alter a winning formula too much. The overall figures can be seen below with the profit figure being the first column and the total staked the second. A shame we cant include the Scottish Cup early round bets but as only a couple of books priced up it wouldn’t be fair!! - otherwise our ROI would be over 20%!!

July -23 59
August +30.77 221
September +6.32 190
October +73.1 225
November +81.05 174
December -22.5 55
January +35.6 244
February +112.25 140
March -4.3 202
April -48.07 160
May +7.5 15
Ante post +21.5 50

+270.22 profit 1735 staked 15.5% ROI

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Impressive stuff.

I think the Scottish lower leagues are the one exception, where you can actually get bigger bets on with the British books than you can with the Asian ones. The liquidity in Asia is non-existent until the day of the game, and even then it's lower than a lot of minor European leagues.

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Thanks Ian and Stephen for a first class service. I'll be subscribing again next season for sure 8)

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Thank you Wickerman, and Ian. Looking forward to next season.

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A quick post - there was an error on the overall figures from last year - February results were not complete - the actual full figures for the seasona re as follows
July -23 59
August +30.77 221
September +6.32 190
October +73.1 225
November +81.05 174
December -22.5 55
January +35.6 244
February +42.25 260
March -4.3 202
April -48.07 160
May +7.5 15
Ante post +21.5 50

+200.22 profit 1855 staked 10.8% ROI

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A quick post - antepost bets are being sent out tomorrow Monday 27th for anyone who wants to join

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First matchbets not that far off now - Friday July 22nd.
This season we will also be running a special promotion - simply follow us on Twitter at FBIdotcom and on the first day of every month we will randomly select one follower to get a free months subscription to FBI worth £80

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Quick message - first bets of the season are ready to go and will be sent at 1pm Friday 22nd - you have 24 hours if you haven't joined yet.

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Nice to have a 20-point winner with Stranraer but Coral were the only layers at 4/5 and that price lasted less than ten minutes. I doubt many of us got much on in that time, I managed {exact amount deleted} online. Would be helpful to know the minimum acceptable price for such a large bet.

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Mug
Things were a bit up in the air this week with Wickermans computer dying a death - hence no write ups or mentions. In hindsight I should have put up a minimum price for this bet - usually name at least two books. As the price was 8/11 at virtually all books it will be proofed at that.
Cheers
Ian

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Real shame that those scoring margin doubles and trebles, won't be recorded on the September figures. Great work Stevie.

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See they were Mentions. Couldn't get on myself as busy. What did they pay in points profit ?

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36 - A 105 point profit - made up for the season so far.

Nik Nak - Funny you should say that, I emailed Ian to make the same point.

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Definitely. As they were only mentions they didn't have points value attributed to them. I went for 12 x 0.25 pt doubles and 8 x 0.25pt trebles

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I was busy - only had time to do one triple and one set of doubles.

Did the right one(s). Lucky bastard = me 8).

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Glad some of you took the plunge and got some great results.
As I always run a transparent service I cannot include them in the official results (much as I would like to!) but they have been mentioned and linked to on the blog.
Cheers
Ian

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Front page of daily record, Scottish Punter wins 110k, on winning margins on 4 Scottish Cup matches.

Hope it was someone on here :D.

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Hills spokesman Tony Kenny said "We gave them (Coldsteam) a luxury coach for their marathon trip (to Caithness to face Wick) and they end up costing us £100K. It's unbelievable"

:lol:

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Anyone know who it was?

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Absolutely cracking day today. 65pts profit on the day puts the month just into profit now.

Well done Stevie 8)

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We've backed Peterhead six times this season, without a collect. On several if not all occasions this team has drifted on the Saturday morning, sometimes as much as quarter of a ball. Any thoughts?

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Mug - sorry - never seen your post! - all we can say is that Peterhead have been a huge disappointment this season conisdering the amount of money they spent and how well they were backed pre season, you would have expected the team to finally gel but it simply hasn't happened.
It has been a tough start to the season but things are now beginning to turn around.
Usually we only offer a seasons subscription at the beginning of the season but we have an offer on at the moment - subscribe for the rest of the 2011-12 for £200 which saves £160 on monthly fees.

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SBI, I'm interested in signing up but am curious about a couple of things.

Is there any sort of write-up for the recommended bets? I'm not talking lengthy previews, but 2/3 lines with some key info?

Also, how do the prices stand up, not just with the U.K books but also in Asia (SBO, IBC, 188, Pinny) where liquidity can be quite thin on the lower leagues in Scotland? I'm thinking in terms of wanting to get with a team on an alternative handicap or basically anywhere there is liquidity.