South Africa V Pakistan 2nd Test

BlindBadger · 18th January 2007, 15:33

Hello all - i'm new here and doesn't seem to be much activity on the Cricket threads so i hope this is ok.

So the second test is upon us. Pakistan are boosted by the news that run machine Mohammed Yousef is returning, along with Gul and Akhtar to strengthen the bowling. Not so convinced by Akhtar at the moment - match fit? Hasn't bowled since the one dayers in England (I think) and can't remember the last time he bowled in a test match

Yousef doesn't have a great record in SA but to be fair - you could argue he's in a bit of form at the moment.

Saffers will probably be unchanged, since Gibbs has appealed his ban and Steyn is still carrying an injury.

In my opinion i think i will be laying the draw. This is copied from Cricinfo:

"The groundsman, AD Carter, predicts that the pitch will provide bounce and pace, two words not often associated with the oldest test ground in South Africa.

Carter is confident that it will be a good wicket. "It reminds me of the one we had for the match between the Warriors and the Eagles earlier this month. That one had pace and bounce and we hope this one will be similar."

I did think about backing the draw at the start here, judging by previous results at this ground (it has had it's fair share of draws) and the fact the Pakistan will find it hard to bowl South Africa out for anything less than 400 in at least one of their innings, and with Yousef back to prop up an already fairly strong middle order with Inzy and Younis, i found it hard to see South Africa bowling out Pakistan twice, in addition to this, Pakistans openers seem to have found a bit of form.

However you can't argue with 3 straight test wins for the springboks, and with Nel, Pollock and Ntini always threatening, especially on a pitch with a lot of pace and bounce, combined with the attacking play of Gibbs, Pollock and Smith, i think a lay of the draw could be my opening position.

Good luck all.

bowler · 18th January 2007, 15:35

Hi BB - nice write up. Do you post on the Betfair forum under another name?

Pierre LP · 18th January 2007, 15:43

4 draws in 21 tests, but 3 draws in the last 9 matches

teamsports · 18th January 2007, 15:45

But, someone has forced the draw price from 2.90 Monday, to 2.66 now.

This aint happening for no good reason .. I genuinely think Draw layers can wait, and lay the 2.2 after 5 overs ..

Pierre LP · 18th January 2007, 16:00

From the other thread

16/0 off 5 = 2.6

26/0 off 8 = 2.36

42 off 12 = 2.08

robz · 18th January 2007, 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamsports

But, someone has forced the draw price from 2.90 Monday, to 2.66 now.

Probably the same people who kept the draw price for Newlands (India Test 3) at around 3.5 pregame

BlindBadger · 18th January 2007, 22:50

Hi Bowler - no i don't post on the Betfair Forum - i have seen some of the drivel written on there with people talking up their books and decided to give it a swerve. Googled "betting forum" and here i am

chemist · 19th January 2007, 12:25

So far so good with the draw laying. Why so short pre-game? In the first test it was over-reaction to the weather forecast. No clear reason for it to have tested 2.5 pre-game this time. Someone must have turned the magic money machine back on.

bowler · 19th January 2007, 13:01

Suspect it was the muted view that Saffers may rest either Ntini or Pollock, the view that MoYo returning would stiffen the Pak batting line up and the history of PE being slow and low

Cricket these days is a wait and see game - trust your eyes, history isnt such a good indicator due to the abundance of matches and the whims of the groundsmen / curators

robz · 19th January 2007, 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemist

Someone must have turned the magic money machine back on.

KA-CHINGGGGGGG

18th January 2007, 15:33	#1 (permalink)
BlindBadger Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 126	South Africa V Pakistan 2nd Test Hello all - i'm new here and doesn't seem to be much activity on the Cricket threads so i hope this is ok. So the second test is upon us. Pakistan are boosted by the news that run machine Mohammed Yousef is returning, along with Gul and Akhtar to strengthen the bowling. Not so convinced by Akhtar at the moment - match fit? Hasn't bowled since the one dayers in England (I think) and can't remember the last time he bowled in a test match Yousef doesn't have a great record in SA but to be fair - you could argue he's in a bit of form at the moment. Saffers will probably be unchanged, since Gibbs has appealed his ban and Steyn is still carrying an injury. In my opinion i think i will be laying the draw. This is copied from Cricinfo: "The groundsman, AD Carter, predicts that the pitch will provide bounce and pace, two words not often associated with the oldest test ground in South Africa. Carter is confident that it will be a good wicket. "It reminds me of the one we had for the match between the Warriors and the Eagles earlier this month. That one had pace and bounce and we hope this one will be similar." I did think about backing the draw at the start here, judging by previous results at this ground (it has had it's fair share of draws) and the fact the Pakistan will find it hard to bowl South Africa out for anything less than 400 in at least one of their innings, and with Yousef back to prop up an already fairly strong middle order with Inzy and Younis, i found it hard to see South Africa bowling out Pakistan twice, in addition to this, Pakistans openers seem to have found a bit of form. However you can't argue with 3 straight test wins for the springboks, and with Nel, Pollock and Ntini always threatening, especially on a pitch with a lot of pace and bounce, combined with the attacking play of Gibbs, Pollock and Smith, i think a lay of the draw could be my opening position. Good luck all.

18th January 2007, 15:35	#2 (permalink)
bowler Gilded Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,248	Re: South Africa V Pakistan 2nd Test Hi BB - nice write up. Do you post on the Betfair forum under another name? __________________ What a surprise They march off to war Nothing to give And nothing to score It seems so dear The final demand Waterloo teeth from the ghost of a man

18th January 2007, 15:43	#3 (permalink)
Pierre LP Gambling Adict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Green Parrot Posts: 1,337	Re: South Africa V Pakistan 2nd Test 4 draws in 21 tests, but 3 draws in the last 9 matches __________________ Ad perpetuatatum in luto, altitudo solum varia est

18th January 2007, 15:45	#4 (permalink)
teamsports Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Somewhere hot (hopefully) Posts: 2,183	Re: South Africa V Pakistan 2nd Test But, someone has forced the draw price from 2.90 Monday, to 2.66 now. This aint happening for no good reason .. I genuinely think Draw layers can wait, and lay the 2.2 after 5 overs ..

18th January 2007, 16:00	#5 (permalink)
Pierre LP Gambling Adict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Green Parrot Posts: 1,337	Re: South Africa V Pakistan 2nd Test From the other thread 16/0 off 5 = 2.6 26/0 off 8 = 2.36 42 off 12 = 2.08 __________________ Ad perpetuatatum in luto, altitudo solum varia est

18th January 2007, 22:50	#7 (permalink)
BlindBadger Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 126	Re: South Africa V Pakistan 2nd Test Hi Bowler - no i don't post on the Betfair Forum - i have seen some of the drivel written on there with people talking up their books and decided to give it a swerve. Googled "betting forum" and here i am

19th January 2007, 12:25	#8 (permalink)
chemist Gelding Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 589 Blog Entries: 1	Re: South Africa V Pakistan 2nd Test So far so good with the draw laying. Why so short pre-game? In the first test it was over-reaction to the weather forecast. No clear reason for it to have tested 2.5 pre-game this time. Someone must have turned the magic money machine back on. __________________ People who like this sort of thing, will find this the sort of thing they like.

19th January 2007, 13:01	#9 (permalink)
bowler Gilded Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,248	Re: South Africa V Pakistan 2nd Test Suspect it was the muted view that Saffers may rest either Ntini or Pollock, the view that MoYo returning would stiffen the Pak batting line up and the history of PE being slow and low Cricket these days is a wait and see game - trust your eyes, history isnt such a good indicator due to the abundance of matches and the whims of the groundsmen / curators __________________ What a surprise They march off to war Nothing to give And nothing to score It seems so dear The final demand Waterloo teeth from the ghost of a man

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