JBT73

Hello All

I am a new poster here but I thought I would drop a few words about a website I have been using software from for a while.

I have been using BetAssist and LayAssist for a while - they are from . www.betvector.com but they have just released a fully automated system that will place three distinct types of bets. All these work with Betfair only so you will need a Betfair account. The overall programme is called Arbiter. www.betvector.com/arbiter

ScoreAssist – Is an arbitrage system based on the correct score markets of football betting. You basically tell it what amount you are willing to play with and which games to consider and it does the rest! I have had some reasonable returns using that and I can only see them getting better and better as the new season starts

FavAssist – Is a horse racing system that backs horses based on Betfair with its own filter – I tried it yesterday and it was already 35 quid up based on 5 quid bets. They do say it is for the longer term, but I was happy enough after the first go. It may have been a flash in the pan but I will let the money from yesterday run to see what happens

NapAssist – Another horse racing system that scans the “Naps” of the day from Newspapers etc and places a level stake on that.

There is a free demo on the site that is fully functional for 14 days and I think 14.95 per month if you want it after that.

I have been reasonably impressed so far, but will keep you posted

keyser soze

your position in the company is?

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patrickstar

if they are so good why are they selling them for peanuts?

Mister Logic

A shocking lack of faith in humanity keyser.

A chap comes to our site and magnanimously makes a long and detailed post about something he has discovered purely and solely for the benefit of all of our members.

We should be more grateful.

JBT73

Err - Nice Avatar by the way.......

To be honest - I have no part in the company, but it is a friends project and using his software has helped a lot on the horses - this is his next project and I have to say I am impressed - I only wanted to mention it so he gets the round in next time and stops dodging it - it is a free demo with no data required whatsoever, none of this "Its free but give us your CC details anyway" nonsense

Its worth a look....

keyser soze

i already have.

im a bit suspect about the football one, i read the pdf file and like a good politician canvassing your doorstep it takes 15 mins of your life but doesnt actually say anything.

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keyser soze

my lack of faith was settled at 1/3

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keyser soze

ok, im willing to debate this.

you are telling me (sorry your friend is) that this works as a systematic approach to the correct score market. i can only assume it is measured on the score at the time and the time left in the game

is this correct?

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JBT73

I have been doing some testing for him and for the football one and it is pretty good - It basically takes the correct score and backs it at a random time near the end then lays it at a lesser price - the beauty is the games that no-one cares about (apart from downtown limasol FC) are covered as well, not just domestics - I have been getting between 4-15% returns on the stake. They have to have an inplay facility though on BF - strangley all the untelevised championships games don't have that.

If you want it as an outright bet, then you can put it in High risk mode - where it will back only the correct score in the last 10 mins or so

Hope it clears it up a bit

keyser soze

im sorry but thats a pointless system.

if you back 0-0 say at 1.82 for a tenner and lay at 1.66 for whatever stake is required to level out, you can do this yourself with the same risk involved as using your £14.95 a month program.

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JBT73

Your right, you can manually on one game - but I have just set up this for all the games across Europe For tonight, Saturday and Sunday - it would be physically impossible to do this manually ( I have 98 games ready to go for this weekend on my works computer) I will leave it and log into my BF account to see how it has done - it is totally automated

I hope this makes it a bit clearer

keyser soze

so for £14.95 i can also back the current score tonight in the Wolves Preston game, and happily go down the local pub and meet the members of my API lodge, safe in the knowledge that my bet is on?

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keyser soze

ok but lets do some sums.

there are 98 games in play, as you say some of them have no interest, if fact maybe only limassol and chelsea leaving 96.

lets back £10 at 1.82 on the score at the time. now over 98 games, as you say, there can be very little interest.

so you want to lay at 1.62 to level out.

however with very little interest, 1.62 may only get laid when the game is nearly dead and someone notices that someone is asking for a poor price.

alternatively if this only works when a price is available, what if it never is available. if its a obscure game you may only have one side of the bet matched.

finally, lets assume every market on BF has a full interest level. if so, 1.82 will get matched as and when 1.82 is correct to do so, and 1.62 will get matched as and when its correct to do so. so when you allow for the times a goal is scored between those price increments, AND the cost of commission... how do you win.

you dont.

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JBT73

Thats the idea - (I am not sure what an API lodge is) but it is the fact that it will automatically place the correct score at that time - then you can chose to lay it or let it run to the end by the initial set up

Like I say - I have 98 games ready to go for this weekend and I am just leaving the works computer on - I will check how they are getting on by logging into my BF account.

Try it with a two quid bet on tonights game and see for yourself

keyser soze

you should join our Lodge. here is the motto...........

"the Sacred Order of the API Stonecutters has, since ancient times, split the rocks of ignorance that obscures the light of knowledge and truth... now let's all get drunk and play ping-pong."

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patrickstar

Well I personally think it sounds like a fantastic idea. can't believe I hadn't thought of it before..

getting drunk and playing ping pong that is.

I can hardly think of a game with a sharper 'the more you drink the shitter you get' curve. Sounds like great fun.

thegreat

I am confused

How exactly is it an arbitrage system ? does it only play when the price hits your target or after a specified time frame ?

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the world pissed ping pong tournament or WPPPT

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JBT73

OK, say that out of the 98 games - a quarter get matched with the macro @1.82 then layed at 1.62 for every one that works out with a 10 pound bet, then you will add 1.90 (after commission) to you account
so say you get 20 games at those odds then you will be 20*1.90 = 38 quid a weekend

4 weekends + (4 x 10 midweek games) = 192 *1.90 a month = 364 quid - 14.95 for the software = 349 quid

Its a fair point to question what happens if a score changes during the event - if that is the case a second bet is placed on an outright win.

This has been tested a fair bit and I think in 250 games, there has been 3 total losses

Give it a try - you might be surprised

JBT73

Its arbitrage, because - as long as the conditions are met- you will either gain a percentage or not lose your original stake